There are around 114 million PS4s in the world, the number of those who transfer if you keep that in mind is a small number. But for us, the PS4 community is going to remain incredibly important certainly for 2020, 2021 and 2022. Because in those three years, that will be the larger PlayStation community.

But it's probably 2022 that you're going to see some wonderful things in the same way that it was 2015 2016 for the previous generation, when the generation defining-games started to be published.